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>> we'll be watching on monday. david duvall, thank you. hi there, i'm brianna keiler. "inside politics" with john king will return next week. we begin this hour with president trump. he shocks some members of his own administration after revealing his plans for american involvement in war-torn syria in front of a massive crowd in ohio. last night the president told supporters about his plans for the isis battleground. >> we're knocking the hell out of isis. we'll be coming out of syria very soon. let the other people take care of it now. very soon. very soon, we're coming out. we're going to have 100% of the caliphate, as they call it, sometimes referred to as land. we're taking it all back quickly, quickly. but we're going to be coming out of there real soon. >> now a senior administration official tells cnn some of the president's aides were surprised by those comments.
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they said, quote, we're still trying to figure out what he meant about syria yesterday. white house reporter indicakait collins joins me live from west palm beach, florida. so what did he mean by what he said yesterday? >> reporter: that's a good question, brianna. certainly not a scripted comment from that speech that was supposed to be about infrastructure around cleveland, ohio, and now he's confusing his officials in the white house about what he meant when he said that. it's not just confusion in the west wing, a defense official telling my colleagues, a defense official intimately involved with the campaign against isis who said they didn't know what the president was speaking about, and even the state department spokesman heather nowwirth saying she was not aware of any plans for the united states to pull out of syria. this is also interesting on another front, not just for the
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confusion it's creating inside this administration, but also because this is a president who said he's not going to telegraph any of his military moves, he's not going to show his cards to signal what he's doing, as he said right here on the campaign trail. >> well, one of the things i think you've noticed about me is militarily i don't like to say where i'm going and what i'm doing. i'm not saying i'm doing anything one way or the other. >> i don't want to telegraph what i'm doing or what i'm thinking. i'm not like other administrations where they say we're going to do this in four weeks and it doesn't work that way. >> i don't want to be one of those guys who says, here's what we're going to do. i don't have to do that. >> reporter: this is a president regularly critical of the obama administration for previewing an attack on mosul and iraq. he's done that on several occasions. so if he is making a decision of withdrawing troops from syria,
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that is a decision he can make and he obviously has not informed other officials of concrete plans to do so, but it is certainly something he can decide. it goes against his thinking he's not going to telegraph exactly what he's doing, brianna. if he is making this decision, it's quite clear he hasn't informed anyone else, brianna. >> kaitlan collins in west palm beach, thank you very much. we have ned wylen, and isaac wright is a former director for correct the record superpac and now a partner in ssfg. ned, what's going on here? either estelle grahe is telegra he's going to be doing or he's just blowing hot air and isn't really talking about what the plan is for syria and is just kind of ad-libbing some stuff
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that might not be true. what is it? >> i think yesterday may be an argument for why we have tell prompters and we stick to the script. i'm one of the president's biggest supporters, but one of the things i'm always talking about is stick to the teleprompter, stick to what's being laid out for you. even be a little boring if you have to, especially in a midterm election. i think it comes down to basic message discipline. it's one of those things that's always been a bit of a struggle. i would love to see them working on that going forward. >> it wouldn't be, isaac, a sort of campaign-style speech for the president if he didn't mention the wall. let's listen to something he said yesterday. >> we need walls. we started building our wall. i'm so proud of it. we started. we have 1.6 billion. and we've already started. you saw the pictures yesterday. i said, what a thing of beauty. >> so what he's referring to
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there is some photos that he tweeted out where he said it was the beginning of the construction of the border wall. the problem with that is it's not, right? it's basically the mending, the repairing of an existing fence. but i'm wondering from your perspective, when you're looking at that and you're fact-checking these kind of details, is it just white noise? is there really a point to it? is it something democrats can really make, i guess, progress with? >> it's dangerous and we should treat it as something more than political, because it is. this president has made it part of his administration to create a constant assault on the truth. he posted pictures on twitter when he said it's the beginning of the border wall, when we all know good and well, those photos are from a fence started in 2009. he claims this 1.6 billion is part of a new border wall when in reality it's not. that money was put there by congress to fund drug addiction along the border, to create greater surveillance along the
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border and to patch existing walls with proven fence technology that predates may of last year. i.e., it can't even be the pr t prototypes he saw. we as americans should reject that and not allow it. >> ned, do you want to react to that? >> i do. i obviously disagree with isaac with some of what he said, but this is not a good thing with not only democrats but with his base. that's the reason he got elected. i think we should have an honest conversation about whether the wall will be built or not. i read this on the hill this week that i think the president was more than ready to veto the omnibus bill, and let's face it, he got less than a hundred feet for his brand new wall while chuck schumer got his tunnel. i think he should have sent it
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back and said, let's redo the funding bill and the base needs to keep pushing and say, this is why you got elected. we want funding for the wall. if you have to veto the omnibus and have a showdown with congress, go ahead because the base will be with you. i think we need to have an honest conversation about whether the wall will get funded or not. i don't say this lightly, brianna. reagan shut down government eight times during his administration, still had 3.5% growth. i think trump needs to be willing to say i will go so far as to say i will shut down government unless you fund my priorities and see what happens from there. >> we are on track for some shutdown records, maybe i will say that. community colleges came nup in this talk, let's listen. >> a word you don't hear much, but when i was growing up, we had what you call vocational schools. they weren't called community colleges, because i don't know what that means, community
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college. to me it means a two-year college. i don't know what it means. but vocational, and i tell people, call it vocational from now on. >> what is he talking about? there are community colleges that are not vocational colleges -- what's he talking about, ned? everybody knows what a community college is. >> let's go back to message discipline and talk about why -- i think it is a very good idea on vocational schools, leave the community colleges out of it. i'm not really sure where he was going with that, but highlight the fact we should emphasize vocational schools moving forward, that there should be a conversation about, you know what? i don't think everybody need to go to a four-year college, i think they should go to vocational schools and really focus on that. it comes back to, brianna, message discipline. foeb focus on what you should focus on, stick to the teleprompter and communicate. i think vocational schools is a good thing moving forward so we can have an honest conversation about what it means. do you need to go to college or should you go to voc-tech
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school? >> i would think you agree with him on that point. >> yes. the president needs to deal with message. he needs to get back on track. i think he made some blunders in this speech. i would actually welcome the president to have some of these debates. ned mentioned earlier on the immigration issue republicans having a debate about shutting down government for the wall. let's keep in mind mitch mcconnell and paul ryan right now are the ones in charge of congress. that's who basically snoozed at his border wall perspective and the funding for it. and the same reaction they had to his infrastructure bill. >> isaac is opening up a big can of worms, and unfortunately, i don't have time to go into it. >> i would have loved to address this. >> i know you would have, ned ryan. we'll have you back soon. isaac, appreciate it. coming up, the news that robert mueller is investigating alleged collusion between president trump and the russians. the help with a fofrom a former
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aide in finding russian operatives. stormy daniels' lawyer says the fight is not over. and gloria all red drops accuser zervos out as her client. up ahead. ways go for 100. bring out the bold™ red drops accuser zervos out as her client. up ahead. when i received the diagnoses, i knew at that exact moment ... i'm beating this. my main focus was to find a team of doctors. it's not just picking a surgeon, it's picking the care team and feeling secure in where you are. visit cancercenter.com/breast was a success for choicehotels.com badda book. badda boom. this year, we're taking it up a notch. so in this commercial we see two travelers at a comfort inn with a glow around them, so people watching will be like, "wow, maybe i'll glow too if i book direct at choicehotels.com".
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court filings, tell us about it. >> the court filings that were made public earlier this week were certainly the first indication that we had seen where rick gates, there was this connection with rick gates to russian intelligence officials. now what we've learned is that the special counsel, when they were talking to him about potentially cooperating, they essentially said to him they didn't need his help in the paul manafort case. it seems they have everything they need and they feel like they have a plretty airtight cae for paul manafort. but what they wanted from rick gates, who was a high-ranking official within the trump campaign, is what he knows about any potential collusion, what he knows about contacts that russians may have had with people inside the trump campaign. and also financing. he is close -- was close to people in the campaign who were involved in some of the fundraising. certainly manafort was part of that. and another individual by the name of tom barrick who was part
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of fundraising for the i naug ratio -- inauguration. we believe rick gates is an essential part in putting together the puzzle of collusion and russian interference in this case. >> he may testify against manafort, still? >> yes. basically when he signed the cooperation agreement, he has to do whatever the government tells him to do. they essentially own him. if they do decide they want him to testify against manafort, he has to do so. he has to tell the government anything he knows about any crimes that were committed that he was witness to that he participated in. all of manafort's dealings with certainly foreign officials and some of his tax issues and finance issues would have been part of that. so that would certainly include and require him to testify against paul manafort.
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>> all right, shimon, thanks so much for that. attorney general jeff sessions says he's not ready to name a second special counsel. he claims fbi bias in both the russia probe and the investigation of hillary clinton. but sessions did reveal one concession, and that's that a federal prosecutor is now investigating the flames. laura jarrett is joining us live. tell us about the prosecution and what he's looking for. >> he's a federal prosecutor out of utah, a veteran prosecutor, and he was appointed by president obama in 2015. then president trump actually reappointed him last year. but he's got quite a bit on his plate. he's going to be tasked with looking into everything from republican allegations that the fbi somehow mishandled the clinton e-mail server probe as well as not doing enough to probe ties between a russian nuclear energy agency and the clinton foundation, and then finally, he's also going to be tasked with looking into whether
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the fbi mishandled the surveillance warrant on former trump campaign aide carter page. >> and sessions isn't completely closing the door on this idea of adding a special counsel on this. what do you think about that? >> he's not. what he's really trying to do is say, look, there is a high threshold for appointing a special counsel under the justice department regulations. it's really supposed to be used in situations where there is an appearance of a conflict of interest or some extraordinary circumstances. but instead, sessions is saying, i'm going to appoint a prosecutor who has all of the same powers just like mueller. he can bring charges, he can convene a grand jury, and in his letter to congress last night, he says that huber is going to be able to tell him if a special counsel is actually needed down the line at some point. it's interesting to note, so far republicans have not come out and pushed back hard on this, brianna. they say they still want a special counsel, but this is actually a step in the right direction. >> laura jarrett, thank you.
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i want to bring in the panel. we have senior political analyst mark preston with us. michael zelden, senior legal analyst and former aide in the justice department, and john campbell, senior law analyst and former fbi special agent. michael, what do you think about mueller clearly here trying to connect the dots between the trump campaign and russia through rick gates? what does this tell you? >> that he's following his prior mandate requirements. if you go back, brianna, to the appointment on may 17 of mueller by rosenstein, what that appointment letter says is, you shall continue the counterintelligence investigation that the fbi started under then-fbi director comey, and that investigation shall include any indication of coordination between the trump for president campaign and russian interference. so that's his primary obligation, and that's what he's following up on. and he has to write a report at the end of his investigation about who he prosecuted and why
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he declined to prosecute. he needs not only to determine who has committed criminal offenses, but what is the story behind the entire russian collusion/counterintelligence matter that is on his mandate? so i think that what we're seeing here is a prosecutor who dauntingly is pursuing what he has been obligated to do per his mandate, and it shouldn't be surprising to anybody that gates will feature prominently in that because of the role that he held both in the campaign and with manafort in the private consulting world. >> mark, the president is always saying it's become his rallying cry, no collusion. he'll tweet it, he'll say it. considering this revelation, is that a harder thing for him to say and be accurate in saying? >> it won't be hard for him to say, but it will be hard for him in doing so. when we talk about collusion, we haven't seen any evidence necessarily that it actually happened. but we have seen evidence that
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they tried to collude, and we only have to go back to june of 2016 in trump tower when you had the meeting between the russian go-between and the trump family, basically. >> they didn't get the dirt, and that is what was frustrating, right? they talked and didn't have the dirt. >> there was never any collusion. there was an attempt at collusion, okay, so at least that is a starting point. what is interesting, though, about this is it shows that the focus on this really is on trump. there's bayne leen a loft conct that mueller would use these paths and try to bring everyone down, but now the focus is on gates and to bring him on president trump and not on manafort who clearly has problems. it just shows mueller isn't using this investigation to try to bring everybody down. it's very, very focused. >> josh, what does this tell you, this revelation about what robert mueller has already? >> i read two things in this. the first is in line with what
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michael said that this is his mission, this is what he was tacked to do, and this is the most serious mission he has, to look at any type of collusion, any type of interference into our government and electoral process. and this is the second problem of his, is to follow any additional criminal activity he happens to uncover, and you're going to have these offshoots. i can imagine if you were to peek into robert mueller's office, his team has to be continuing to spread as these new charges continue to come about with new allegations. i think the central mission is still his focus, to focus on collusion. the second thing it tells me is, if you're manafort, now is the time to do a lot of soul searching with your attorneys or those assisting you in the case. essentially we have the government saying, we're good, we don't need this witness. i don't think that really bodes well for his future and the seriousness that they're taking his case. >> josh, let's talk about jeff sessions deciding not to appoint a second special counsel to look
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into what republicans say is bias on the part of the fbi. were you surprised that he went with having a federal prosecutor investigate this and not actually having a special counsel? >> i am surprised. and, you know, the reason just basically for me comes down to this. i've been highly critical of the attorney general. i think he positiveliticized th department of justice. if you look at the role of jim comey and the pretext brought about there, and if you look at the silence between him and his team when it comes to the attacks on the department, when it comes to the attacks from the fbi or politicians, i don't see someone who is a profile of leadership here. why it surprises me is because he is essentially going against what the republicans and white house want, and that is another special prosecutor, someone with teeth, that kind of fire-breathing entity that can look and say, aha, everything we told you in the last year and a half about the fbi and malfeasance there, now we're
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going to uncover it and make a big show. he's essentially saying, no, i'm not going along with that. i'm surprised, but not for the fact that he's not following the facts, but the fact that he's not in lock-step with the white house on this one. >> john huber is the federal prosecutor, preston, who is going to be looking at this. initially appointed by president obama, reappointed by president trump. the reception has been pretty good on the hill, but this is not an easy assignment that he has. >> it'sen inkr an incredibly ha assignment, one that i wouldn't want to be drawn into with the threat of corruption going all the way into the white house. i think it was a brilliant move on jeff sessions' part, because you got someone who not only was appointed by obama but reappointed by president trump. he is thousands of miles away in utah, a very conservative state right now, so it gives jeff sessions the breathing time to
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let anybody else see if there is anything to this, and if so, he can continue on with the investigation. what he's done is bought himself time. >> michael, what kind of mandate -- this is always the question about the special counsel, about robert mueller. is he within the parameters of what he should be looking at? what mandate does huber have here? >> he's essentially standing in the place of the justice. under the regulations, the justice department can appoint a special counsel, or if it feels it has the power to investigate itself, take special measures and that's the appointment of huber. he's going to look at the so-called uranium 1 deal and he's going to look at the fiso warrant of carter page as his official mandate. in the course of that, he may come across other things. there will be links that derive from the main body of his requirement, but i think he'll look at hillary clinton and the uranium 1, carter page and the fiso warrant. he's going to make a report and
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give it to the attorney general, then the attorney general will determine what, if other, steps need to be taken in follow-up of that. there is no need for a special counsel in this case because the appearance of conflict that gives rise to extraordinary circumstance that led to the mueller appointment isn't present in this case. >> michael zelden -- real quick, josh. >> i think what this will also show, when we compare with what the prosecutor comes up with and compare this to the house intelligence memos, this will be a dichotomy on how to conduct a real review that is apolitical. we need that independent review. >> josh campbell, thank you so much. michael zelden, unfortunately we ever to leave it there. a jury has decided the fate of noor salman. she is the widow of omar mateen who killed 47 people at a florida nightclub. we'll have that next. ich gave ue wiggle room in our budget.
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breaking news, the pulse nightclub shooter's wife has been found not guilty. the jury cleared noor salman of the following charges providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization, obstruction of justice and misleading law enforcement in connection with her husband's 2016 attack that killed 49 people. cnn's martin savage is joining us now. martin, this is not the outcome, certainly, the government had hoped for. what was the reaction here from both sides? >> reporter: no, it was not, brianna, and of course the family of noor salman is grateful for the verdict that came down, but the prosecution, federal prosecution in this case, it was pretty clear they were disappointed, and that's putting it mildly. they did come out briefly and spoke to the cameras, thanked essentially the jury, but then, boom, they were gone. this is clearly looked upon as a defeat on the part of the prosecution and even the fbi as well. there were a lot of questions that were brought in about how
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the interrogation of noor salman was conducted. so sadness there. and also the victims' families. 49 victims in this case, and of course now no one has brought into account in the justice system, at least. omar mateen died when he carried out the attack, and then you have noor salman and her family. of course, they were incredibly relieved. i was looking at noor salman before the verdict was read. you could tell she was extremely anxious. why not? she was facing the potential of life in prison. she had already spent over a year in federal custody. she had been separated from her five-year-old little boy. and then came the verdict, not guilty, not guilty, not guilty on all counts. and the flood of emotion on her face and of her family members was just extreme. they broke down sobbing. she left the courtroom free and she's going through the outbooking process now. but again, you have a community that has suffered a tremendous loss. you had a terrorist attack. and right now it's not completely over in the minds of
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many. >> what seemed to play into this verdict? because there have been a lot of talk about her confession and how it had been written by a law enforcement agent, and it really didn't seem to be her own words. >> you know, obviously there is likely to be a debrief of the jurors and we'll wait to hear, but it seems the fact that the fbi conducted this 11-hour interrogation, it's been described, and yet none of it was recorded. in other words, there is no video, no audio recording of any of this, it's all based on the handwritten notes of fbi agents. i think the jurors had a hard time with that. look, you had her for 11 hours, nobody thought of recording anything? on top of that, there was other issues. it was said she was with her husband and actually went to the pulse nightclub to scout it out. no, there is no evidence she went with her husband to the pulse nightclub to scout it out, because it was later revealed the pulse nightclub was never the initial attack site. he chose that at random after
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>> she's only apologizing after advertisers pulled out, and i think it's disgusting she basically tried promoting her show after apologizing to me. i think it's wrong, and i think if she really wants to do something she could cover something like inner city violence and the real issues that we have in america. i know she's a talk show host, but as such she also has the responsibility to show both sides of the story. >> cnn's hadas gold is joining me to talk about this. hadas, there was an apology from laura ingram. is that enough for them? >> laura ingram did apologize. she said in the holy spirit week she apologizes for the trouble she caused and she believes her show is the first to feature him and he should be proud of his 4.2 gpa. despite that apology, we're seeing at least nine advertisers so far have dropped laura
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ingram's show. it includes brands like johnson & johnson, expedia, wayfair, and some of them had an issue with her comments as well. they said what she said was not consistent with their values. they said it crossed the line of decency. this is something we've seen before. other hosts on fox news have been targeted for this type of advertiser boycotts. some have been more successful than others. if you think about cases like bill oe rih reill o'reilly. we haven't heard from fox news so far, all we heard was the apology from laura ingram. david hogg wants her to apologize to not only him but denounce the network for how
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they've been tweeting the parkland survivors. these are high school students. these are young kids taking on some really big names. >> yeah, and realizing they have quite a lot of power as we're seeing in this back and forth. thank you for that report. high-power attorney gloria allred just quit the team representing zervos. zervos has accused donald trump of sexual assault and defamation. we'll have the details ahead. for positively radiant skin that lasts. aveeno®. naturally beautiful results®
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news about two of president trump's accusers this morning. summer zervos has lost her famous attorney, gloria allred.
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zervos is the former "apprentice" contestant who accused trump of sexual misconduct and defamation. and a judge denied an attorney's motion to depose trump and michael cohen. how big of a setback is this for stormy daniels and her legal team? >> what she asked for earlier this week was an expedited trial and expedited discovery with the goal of deposing trump and his personal lawyer michael cohen. now yesterday a federal judge ruling that this motion would be dismissed essentially because that motion was filed prematurely. this judge said that essentially stormy daniels needed to give the president and/or michael cohen the option and it is chance to file a motion to compel arbitration. now, michael avenatti, stormy
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daniels' lawyer, is downplaying this as a procedural setback and has said repeatedly he plans to refile this motion as soon as michael cohen and/or donald trump have taken their necessary steps. i want to highlight a moment from "new day" this morning when stormy daniels was asked a question about whether she would accept any amount of money to make this story go away. here's av naenatti this morning. >> if president trump called you today and said, you're a thorn in my side, i want this to go away, how big of a check do you want? >> i don't think this is about numbers. >> so there is no amount of money you or stormy daniels would take to make this go away? >> a number that would allow him to continue to hide the truth? is that the question? >> yeah, for you to go away. >> no number. >> no amount of money? >> no amount of money. >> interesting that avenatti
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clearly seems to be trying to signal that this is not about money. we'll see what happens, because so far this entire lawsuit has very much been about the money, the $130,000 that stormy daniels received in 2016, brianna. >> on the summer zervos case, this is so curious. gloria allred has taken herself off the case. she is no longer going to represent summer zervos. do we have any idea what happened here? may we find out? >> reporter: right. this is the former "apprentice" contestant who has accused president trump of sexual assault on multiple occasions, and she was working with gloria allred. we now know her as this famous lawyer who has represented so many women who have taken on big names, including president trump, for women who have accused men of various kinds of sexual misconduct and sexual assault allegations. and now she is announcing today she is no longer representing summer zervos. here's part of her statement. she says her withdrawal has nothing to do with the merits of
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her case, summer zervos' case against president trump. we will have no comment regarding the reasons for our firm's withdrawal. we continue to wish summer the best in her pursuit of justice. so very interesting that in that statement she does not say the reason for why she is no longer representing her. we might find out in the coming days and we'll keep you posted on that. >> all right, mj lee, thank you so much. joining me now is senior legal analyst joey jackson. joey, i'm so curious about what you think about the summer zervos case and gloria allred no longer representing her. we don't know why. there could be many reasons a lawyer is not part of a case anymore. we're not saying what this is, but it runs the gamut. nonpayment, there could be a different approach in defending the case or prosecuting the case. we just don't know. she seems to be stressing it's not about the merits of the case, but of course, you wonder, right? >> you could, brianna. so this is how i would assess
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this, and certainly we would be speculating unless there is a reason given, and she is, of course, bound by attorney-client privilege, and any lawyer who is as legit and well intentioned and as skilled as her is never going to impair the client's interest, so of course she's going to say it has nothing to do with the merits. here's how you analyze this. when taking a case or removing yourself from a base is really three basises, right? one is a legal basis. are you representing another client who you would have to put their interest above, and therefore, the client you're representing would be s subservient. you can't do that. is there a business that would impair the legal complication? is this a case that i can take? is this a case that would allow my law practice to fleourish an keep my other business to pursue. is this a client who is going to
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listen to me? is this a client who will accept my advice or think they have better advice than i or another lawyer? and just assessing what you would have to go through, that was that there was another lawyer involved. it could very well be differences not only with the client, but there was a former lawyer involved who did a significant amount of work on this case. is there some conflict there? is there some difference in strategy and approach as relates to that. there could be many reasons, and we may never know the reasons based on gloria allred's confidentiality to her client. we know that that interest of confidentiality survives the relationship. >> okay, so let's talk about stormy daniels. in this case where you had her lawyer avenatti trying to get a stab at deposing the president and his personal lawyer, michael cohen, the judge said not so fast, this is too quick, you're premature in making this motion. so trump and michael cohen's shell company, they haven't
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responded to what was this amended complaint which alleges defamation yet. they have not officially filed to compel arbitration. obviously stormy daniels and her lawyer, they want things to move forward at a faster clip here. what did you think about the judge deciding to put a temporary stop on this? >> well, a number of things. first of all, i would say that this suit poses a very dangerous area for the president, and the president has to get out of it and has to be talked out of it, because i'm one who believes that depositions will move forward. get to that momentarily. the fact of the matter is if you get a president to sit for depositions, that president has to tell the truth. to the extent you don't, you could have another bill clinton situation where remember, bill clinton, we should remind everyone, was impeached for a lie he told during a deposition. we may never see an answer to a complaint asking for a motion to compel arbitration, because that might mean there would be discovery and this president could, therefore, be deposed. on the merits of the judge's
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decision, i think it was the right call. why? if you look at avenatti's motion, it really presupposes and otherwise suggests to the court, your honor, we believe that a motion to compel would be forthcoming. in the event that motion to compel is forthcoming, we believe we would be entitled to discovery. this judge, again to avenatti's point on a procedural basis said, not so fast. once we get that motion to arbitration, i will decide whether you should get discovery but not until i get that motion. so it was a victory now, but it may not be a victory later. if trump's people file a motion to compel, be careful what you wish for, they very well might be deposed at a future date. >> joey jackson, thank you so much. coming up, new controversy in trump's cabinet. the embattled scott pruitt now accused of using expensive government security detail, his expensive government security detail for expensive trips to disneyland and the rose bowl. we'll have that next.
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a new report is blasting epa administrator scott pruitt's pricey 24-hour security detail. democratic senator sheldon whitehouse calling out pruitt for taking his round-the-clock epa funded security guards with him on pricey trips to disneyland and the rose bowl. joining me now, cnn correspondent renee marsh. there are several other cabinet members facing scrutiny over their travel expenses. does that put more pressure on pruitt here? >> the bottom line is the white house has expressed that they don't like these negative headlines, regardless of what it is. so they don't want headline after headline, negative headlines at that, regarding their cabinet members. but as it relates to pruitt, senator whitehouse sent this letter to the epa inspector general's office, and he alleges quite a few things in that letter. he says that according to
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documents that he's received from an unnamed source that he now believes or he knows that pruitt has been using that taxpay taxpayer-funded paid security detail on non-epa business. so that includes a family vacation to disneyland, a family trip to the rose bowl, as well as trips home to oklahoma. and what the senator is pushing for is for epa inspector general to look into this. they are already looking into pruitt's travel, they're already looking into his security detail, but what the senator is saying, now that we know he's using this for non-business purposes, he's really curious about and raising concerns about how much this detail is really costing. >> the epa is defending his use of security, right? >> they absolutely are. they're saying, look, he's faced an unprecedented number of death threats and other sort of threats when you compare it to other epa administrators. i will say this sort of level of security, i mean, we're talking about dozens in his detail, is
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unprecedented, but they say that is due to the threat. >> interesting. well, we know you'll be poking around on that, renee marsh. thank you so much for that report. and thank you for joining me at this hour. wolf starts right now. hello, i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. here in washington. wherever you're watching from around the world, thank you so much for joining us. despite saying he wouldn't telegraph military moves, the president is stunning officials by saying the u.s. will be leaving syria very soon. now white house officials are scrambling trying to figure out what he meant. vladimir putin launches satan 2. russia test ag new intercontinental ballistic missile. an explosive moment of the investigation, the biggest moment yet. robert mueller, the

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